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Offline beasty

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Quick question
« on: August 31, 2019, 03:32:31 AM »
I am well aware that an SS RADAR reads very high and it gets worse the higher you go above 115mph

Wondering what a 150mph on SS radar is approx.. I have an idea but would like to hear from those with other devices to side by side on

thanks

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Re: Quick question
« Reply #1 on: September 04, 2019, 11:54:15 AM »
Mine is pretty consistently 8-9 mph too high

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Re: Quick question
« Reply #2 on: September 05, 2019, 11:43:20 AM »
The SSR can read high depending on several variables.  Batteries, temperature, distance from ball/clubhead, and swing path and face position at impact.
Use good batteries.  Voltage must be spot on.  Batteries can vary.
Temperature can alter voltage and microwaves.  I do notice that when it is cold it reads lower.  Could be me also being cold ;)
Distance from swing path/ball.  If it is reading high, it's probably too close.  I think it says to put it 8 inches away from ball/club path in a forward angled position.  This is a "toe-shot" kill zone, so I don't recommend it.  I use mine parallel to path 8 inches away and 3 inches back so it does not catch partial ball speed.  Seems to work with my ES-12 ball speed and Zeolocity Pure Contact monitors that give me ball speed.  If the ball speed is 210 the SSR should read 140-142.  If it reads 150, you have it too close, or positioned angled too much.  If you don't know what 8 inches is, ask your girlfriend or wife.  She knows.
I find that different club head shapes give different speeds too.  My Cobra Speed Pro D gives low speeds and my Adams F11 gives higher ones.  It's 2-3 mph different during same hitting session.  I also notice that if I hit a heel or hosel shot that makes the face shut fast it reads high as well.  Does the twist of the head cause some doppler waves changes?  Probably.

I actually stopped worrying about CHS and focused on ball speed using two cheap monitors.  ES-12 and Velocity Pure Contact at the same time.  That is what matters.  You can get a better idea of what type of contact you are getting with shaft force load and release timing with these devices.  if you use all three, SSR, ES-12, and Zelolicty you can predict spin inside too.  Outside you can see good SSR numbers, low BS, and see the ball curve a lot from off center hits or high spin rate.  Spin goes up, speed goes down.  Only so much force from an impact and it is divided into rebound energy (velocity) or torque on the ball rotation (spin).

if you hit a ball with good contact the ball takes the energy and the CHS should be lower than if you swing and miss the center and get lower ET.  Why?  It makes sense that if the clubbed is going 140 right before impact and when it collides with a stationary ball, the higher the ball speed the better ET/smash factor, and the chs should go down since energy is transferred to the ball.  It is unlikely that two object colliding will not change vectors of each.  If one goes up, the other must go down. 

The big question I have pertaining to ball tracking is during Tuesday night when the numbers changed dramatically and so did the yardages.  Tim Burke 138 chs and 204 BS?  If Tim didn't hit the face right I can understand the BS being down and yds.  But how does that change the CHS?  With the way the Trackman is positioned to the left and behind how the heck is it "guessing" CHS.  Just from BS (8u115hit?)?  Is it just assigning chs from the ball speed and launch angle.  I also see spin numbers being assigned as well.  How is doppler tho location picking up dimples on a golf ball?  I have been on High Def Golf Sims that take video of the ball at crazy fps from multiple cameras and if there isn't a marker on the ball positioned correctly it won't pick up the spin.  So how is a microwave sensing it?
I can see how the exit velocity upon impact, curve, and deceleration during flight could give some data to predict spin, but it seemed some of those Volvik balls were missing about 30 points of compression, or the Trackman numbers were made up.

During the women's, the numbers popped up after a hit and was some crazy 136chs and 202 ball speed for a second and then changed back to some potentially legit numbers of 115chs and 165bs.  What's going on there?  Some type of "glitch" in the Matrix?

Anyway, the only number that matters is the one that makes the grid and is measured with the other guy's number on the tee at that time.

Please don't ask a question about fast twitch muscle fiber now!
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Re: Quick question
« Reply #3 on: September 05, 2019, 05:12:23 PM »
Frank, can you tell us about fast twitch now?
George "Animal" Slupski

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Re: Quick question
« Reply #4 on: September 05, 2019, 05:47:05 PM »
It was a simple question

150 on a SS radar is what on other devices

Did not need War and Peace

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Re: Quick question
« Reply #5 on: September 05, 2019, 09:45:33 PM »
It was a simple question

150 on a SS radar is what on other devices

Did not need War and Peace

Yes, you did have a simple question.  But the SSR does not read any higher over 115 than any other swing speed doppler radar.  Your assumption is the SSR is faulty.  It is not.  It's user error because of the stated reasons.  It took "War and Peace" for you to understand all the faults that you are possible making to get inflated numbers.  So, if you are swinging 150 on the SSR you should be beating Kyle Berkshire and not worry about what it actually is on other devices.  Since you have the darn thing too close to the ball it will read 150 and you and I know you can't put up 150mph.  Try this one.  Put it on baseball mode and swing.  What does it say now?  That's what I thought.  135, which is still too high for most. 

So, 150 on an SSR is the same on other devices.  ALL DOPPLER RADAR FREQUENCIES CAN BE ALTERED OR CHANGED DEPENDING ON CIRCUMSTANCES.  Internally and externally.  Even all the little $100 SSR devices aren't the same.

Sooooo,.... George wants to know about fast twitch muscle fibers.  I'm joking, he probably doesn't.  But I'll do it anyway because 99% are spoon fed talking points.  Ok, fast twitch are actually Type II fibers that have more contractile components than mitochondria and usually take more than 70% of a 1 rep max to recruit them.  So how is a 14 ounce club providing 70% resistance in a golf swing since contractions at that level and speed are subconscious?

Yeah, I wanna hear the answer to that.  Understanding microwave echolocation doppler signals is easy physics stuff.  All this crap about training fast twitch muscle fibers with unrealistic training parameters perpetuates ignorance.  Do 10 lbs. dumbbells make 20 inch arms if you curl them fast? 

So, did you really read War and Peace?
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Re: Quick question
« Reply #6 on: September 06, 2019, 06:55:51 AM »
Did you do well in school? because it seems like you are trying to answer a question that was not asked with assumptions that are misguided

I sold over 1000 SSRs and know that device intimately, what I do not know is what 150 on an SS RADAR equates to on other devices, you are trying to sound like you know but you do not...those radars have an issue with overstating speeds, you seem to be the only one that does not know this.

Maybe someone will be able to actually answer what is a pretty simple question
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Re: Quick question
« Reply #7 on: September 06, 2019, 08:50:12 AM »
Tim had a couple 143-145/210-215 balls in the finals.  That is about right.  He was way quick on the backswing and just plain ol' didn't bring it to the teebox on that occasion.  He will be back.

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Re: Quick question
« Reply #8 on: September 06, 2019, 08:53:07 AM »
I train with a SSR and Trackman simultaneously, outside. The SSR generally reads 6 - 8 MPH higher than trackman.

This season I was 144-148 on SSR and was 138-144 on Trackman as an average.

The range I train at has had me hit on a few other devices such as Voice Caddie and some other low cost pocket radars and they just do not work over ~120 MPH.

Jason

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Re: Quick question
« Reply #9 on: September 06, 2019, 09:26:20 AM »
I train with a SSR and Trackman simultaneously, outside. The SSR generally reads 6 - 8 MPH higher than trackman.

This season I was 144-148 on SSR and was 138-144 on Trackman as an average.

The range I train at has had me hit on a few other devices such as Voice Caddie and some other low cost pocket radars and they just do not work over ~120 MPH.

Jason

Nitro see, this answer gets an A ;D, He read the question and answered it rather than making assumptions and writing a bunch of stuff that was not asked.

Easy really.

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Re: Quick question
« Reply #10 on: September 06, 2019, 11:08:48 AM »
I sold over 1000 SSRs and know that device intimately, what I do not know is what 150 on an SS RADAR equates to on other devices, you are trying to sound like you know but you do not...those radars have an issue with overstating speeds, you seem to be the only one that does not know this. - beasty

Ok, so you sold over 1000 units and have been doing intimate things with it.  I see the problem now.  Try checking the loose screw in front of the blue button.  Sold over 1000 units and you DON"T KNOW THE ANSWER TO YOUR OWN QUESTION?  You SOUND like you don't know what is happening with something you sell.  Did you speak to the nice guy Al Dilz in Cincinnati that sells them to you?  Did you talk to him?  I did. 

I'm not "intimate" with my SSR, but I do know how to use it to get real numbers, low numbers, or high ones. 

Jason, move the SSR back away from the ball 3-4 inches and you'll get the same numbers as trackman depending on how the Trackman is calibrated as well.

Did you do well in school? because it seems like you are trying to answer a question that was not asked with assumptions that are misguided-beasty
Yes, did well in school.  I gave you an answer to a question you had that had too much information for you to handle.  The problem with the question was it has no simple answer.  If you want a simple answer, it is this.  My SSR reads perfect with every other device I have tested it on.  Try this word.  "Calibration".  Might need to look it up.

This topic has been on here before and in general most LDers know it has inflated numbers compared to several other devices if you use it as instructed.  Again, move it away from the ball to get realistic numbers, or order your own "secret decoder SSR LD ring" and set it at comparable device code and get adjusted numbers
Is it inflated?  Or, are the other devices too low.  It's doppler, so it's neither.  It's how you use it.  It's not using time and distance information to calculate speed, so it's BS anyways.  It a microwave signal that has a change in frequency when bounced off an object.  The difference in those frequencies determines movement.  Depending on where the signal comes from, it WILL determine the change in rebound frequency.

If you are so intimate with these devices, tell me what happens when you put two or three right next to each other and turn them on and swing.  And before you try it out to answer, tell me why this phenomenon happens and tell me why it is happening?

There, that's my question for you.

Thanks for attending class.  Take notes, so you can pass the info along to all your customers and actually help them get helpful data.

Prof SSR
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Re: Quick question
« Reply #11 on: September 07, 2019, 03:21:59 AM »
Did not read any of the last post, read a little of the previous, you sure do not know how to converse

Someone asks, what is for breakfast, you give them an article about cereal production

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Re: Quick question
« Reply #12 on: September 08, 2019, 01:11:16 AM »
Did not read any of the last post, read a little of the previous, you sure do not know how to converse

Someone asks, what is for breakfast, you give them an article about cereal production

Yeah right, you didn't read it.  Doesn't matter.  Everyone else read it.  And they are more educated than you now. 

What is for breakfast?  cereal production?  HhmmmI have a degree in nutrition sciences, wanna discuss glyphosate consumption and cereal production?  Ill spin your head. 

You have no idea about that topic

fc.

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