2011 WLDC Trackman Stats

[TheBeast24]

AP is 100% correct. A ball can only have one type of spin. It is not logically possible to spin in multiple directions. At first glance most people don't believe this, but it is not physically possible without the ball doing loop-dee-loops in the air.

The main argument some will bring up is, "But the ball rolls further with a draw and shorter with a fade..." This is a true statement in and of itself, however not relevent to the argument. A closed face has less loft, while an open face has more loft... From experience, can anyone guess how a higher lofted driver behaves? Especially for an LDer?

This is how some hitters, like JZ can hit a fade with optimum spin numbers and maximized roll. Wolter basically hit a perfect ball, which is what we should all strive for. Even a 170mph club speed would be worthless without fairly good numbers.

-JC

[DLR388]

I disagree that a ball can only have one type of spin, how do you explain a draw, a fade, a ball that hits the green and spins left or right, a curveball, a slider, etc. My sessions on the launch monitor seem to verify this. One spin direction seems illogical

[BigButSmall]

I disagree that a ball can only have one type of spin, how do you explain a draw, a fade, a ball that hits the green and spins left or right, a curveball, a slider, etc. My sessions on the launch monitor seem to verify this. One spin direction seems illogical

For a single object to spin in multiple direcions is illogical. You have to remember that we are not just talking about backspin and topspin but spin on an axis from 0-180* left or right. A draw will have back/left spin, a fade back/right spin, the spin is only in one direction all be it on a diagonal to the direction of flight.  Think of the world, it 'spins' on an axis the same as a golf ball, it also however 'orbits' in a different direction. A launch monitor shows this quite easily.

Matt

[TheDoctor]

I need to take smash factor lessons from Gavin.

[ShortFatGrumpy]

For a single object to spin in multiple direcions is illogical. You have to remember that we are not just talking about backspin and topspin but spin on an axis from 0-180* left or right. A draw will have back/left spin, a fade back/right spin, the spin is only in one direction all be it on a diagonal to the direction of flight.  Think of the world, it 'spins' on an axis the same as a golf ball, it also however 'orbits' in a different direction. A launch monitor shows this quite easily.

Matt

I really like that analogy!

I disagree that a ball can only have one type of spin, how do you explain a draw, a fade, a ball that hits the green and spins left or right, a curveball, a slider, etc. My sessions on the launch monitor seem to verify this. One spin direction seems illogical

A Draw happens because the club face is travelling "in to out" through impact, hence the ball starts right, but has back/left spin on the ball (created by a closed club face) makes it come back to the left and vice versa for the fade- If I understand correctly.

[DLR388]

I never stated that a ball would spin in multiple directions. Side spin... meaning ball is not spinning directly down the target line. The ball spins 700 to the right or left (even if your spin is 2200). My point was....basically a ball with 2200/0 sidespin will carry/ and roll further than a ball with 2200/700 sidespin. If you dont believe it...get on a launch monitor and look at the numbers.

[don hihn]

at the end of the day,,,, Carl won the big dance and Joe did not ,,, it's as SIMPLE as THAT !!

both men are world champions as well as world class athletes and gentlemen ..

2012 is a new year with new possibilities for all ..

Brad , i'm gonna do some time on your speed machine this season if that's ok with you ..

don hihn

loser cum laude in mesquite

[TheBeast24]

Well said, Don. I don't care if you are Jamie, or Joe Blow on Incepta.... To take anything away from Carl's victory is just poor sportsmanship, and kinda sounds like something a sore loser would say. One thing I learned early on is if you win, you win. If you lose, you lose. This isn't a figure skating contest where you are subject to a judje's "opinion". It is up to you, and you only. I got the short end of the stick with the wind at World's... But you know what? Screw it. Next year the wind may be in my favor. I am not about to act like a 280lb 6'5" baby and wine about it.

On another note, I have to question the Trackman numbers because I know Gavin has to swing faster than his numbers show. He is up there with anyone. I remember seeing Gavin hit 370-380 yard fades into the wind in Denver last September. Believe it was about 50 degrees, too. Then again, maybe it is perfect smash factor.

Also: Don, we need to have a three man Texas-Shootout on the Vector at the WHSE... Brad has the home advantage, but we will give him a run for his money!

-JC

[AArdvark]

Landing speed and angle are probably the two most important things. Mobley's balls were going so fast when they landed. They were hard to pickup until they hit the 420 mark going about 40 mph on the ground. To land a ball at 380 yards going 103 mph is just sick. It would have been interesting to see what the open division landing speeds would have been if it would have stayed straight downwind.

[don hihn]

Texas shootout sounds like a great idea Josh , bet we could get a few others to show up as well ,,, as for Brad .... he has to give me 2 gotcha's ,,, 1 before the start of hitting and another to think about while we are hitting .....

Her' Vark .... what were you doing watching Mr. Mobley's balzs anyway sir ..... LOL  sorry bro , just had to hit ya with that one


don

[ukrainien]

Well said, Don. I don't care if you are Jamie, or Joe Blow on Incepta.... To take anything away from Carl's victory is just poor sportsmanship, and kinda sounds like something a sore loser would say. One thing I learned early on is if you win, you win. If you lose, you lose. This isn't a figure skating contest where you are subject to a judje's "opinion". It is up to you, and you only. I got the short end of the stick with the wind at World's... But you know what? Screw it. Next year the wind may be in my favor. I am not about to act like a 280lb 6'5" baby and wine about it.

On another note, I have to question the Trackman numbers because I know Gavin has to swing faster than his numbers show. He is up there with anyone. I remember seeing Gavin hit 370-380 yard fades into the wind in Denver last September. Believe it was about 50 degrees, too. Then again, maybe it is perfect smash factor.

Also: Don, we need to have a three man Texas-Shootout on the Vector at the WHSE... Brad has the home advantage, but we will give him a run for his money!

-JC

I dont think anyone is trying to take anything away from Carl Wolter - iknow i certainly wasnt - the main point was to do with a higher shot  being  what was needed  - which is what i disagreed with - i  am  well aware that a controlled ball flight is what is needed to maximise distance .
Just incase that needed clearing up