2011 WLDC Trackman Stats

[psg8802]

http://www.longdrivers.com/documents/2011REMAX%20WLDC%20TRACKMAN%20DATA.pdf

[bradfromearth]

Almost useless with out the distance and inbounds/ob..

[ShortFatGrumpy]

Holy //XXX// joes averaging nearly 150 practically everytime he hits. Mother of god.

Maybe its not loading right on my screen but I can't see yardages?

[TheDoctor]

It was interesting to see mansfield's ball speed jump around so much.  And some guy named Joe is hitting it pretty hard.


Also take a look at land speed.  6 out of 107 balls were over 100, one of which was a Justin Moose topped ball.  This leaves only 5 legitimate balls over 100mph land speed and not surprisingly Mobley had two of them.

[bradfromearth]

It was interesting to see mansfield's ball speed jump around so much.  And some guy named Joe is hitting it pretty hard.


Also take a look at land speed.  6 out of 107 balls were over 100, one of which was a Justin Moose topped ball.  This leaves only 5 legitimate balls over 100mph land speed and not surprisingly Mobley had two of them.

And that is the 9088.. fastest ball speeds and lowest spin.

If Miller would hit a higher ball he would have won. I knew he was out when I saw the pairing against Wolter.

[ukrainien]

It was interesting to see mansfield's ball speed jump around so much.  And some guy named Joe is hitting it pretty hard.


Also take a look at land speed.  6 out of 107 balls were over 100, one of which was a Justin Moose topped ball.  This leaves only 5 legitimate balls over 100mph land speed and not surprisingly Mobley had two of them.

And that is the 9088.. fastest ball speeds and lowest spin.

If Miller would hit a higher ball he would have won. I knew he was out when I saw the pairing against Wolter.

Correct me if im wrong but, Joe carried it around 70yds further than wolter so i dont think hitting higher wouldve been too good. Maybe landing it shorter and having it roll a tad might have done the trick

[psg8802]

In the Miller v Wolter match, which of their 6 balls resulted in the greatest distance (I cannot recall from the broadcast)?

[ukrainien]

i think the rolling bowling ball from cw if memory serves me correctly

[psg8802]

I meant in terms of their launch statistics...

[hightee]

139.1 207.5 1.49 14.7 2197

149.8 221 1.48 11.7 2231

[bradfromearth]

It was interesting to see mansfield's ball speed jump around so much.  And some guy named Joe is hitting it pretty hard.

Also take a look at land speed.  6 out of 107 balls were over 100, one of which was a Justin Moose topped ball.  This leaves only 5 legitimate balls over 100mph land speed and not surprisingly Mobley had two of them.

And that is the 9088.. fastest ball speeds and lowest spin.

If Miller would hit a higher ball he would have won. I knew he was out when I saw the pairing against Wolter.

Correct me if im wrong but, Joe carried it around 70yds further than wolter so i dont think hitting higher wouldve been too good. Maybe landing it shorter and having it roll a tad might have done the trick

Ironic - you and I discussed this very topic...

http://www.incepta.ca/forum/index.php/topic,13352.msg94132.html#msg94132

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"Quote from: bradfromearth on December 03, 2011, 01:36:05 AM
One way to swing slow and do well is to hit high. If you can get your launch to 20+ degrees and your spin down to 1200 you can launch a bomb with 185 ball speed. There is a variety of ball flight software that allows you to model this. You need to hit up on the ball and strike it well.
ukrainien wrote....
Gotta disagree with that - all the energy is wasted hitting the ball up into the sky , rather than hitting it forward - and  that ball speed aint gonna get you too far either "
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Wolter beat Miller by hitting a higher ball - A SLOWER higher ball at that. Believe what you will. I knew Wolter would win that set and I stated it just prior to my brother in law. Then we sat in the stands and watched it happen. See hightee's post.. looks like Wolters ball was 14 MPH slower launch speed, about the same spin and 3 degrees higher.

[AP]

It was interesting to see mansfield's ball speed jump around so much.  And some guy named Joe is hitting it pretty hard.

Also take a look at land speed.  6 out of 107 balls were over 100, one of which was a Justin Moose topped ball.  This leaves only 5 legitimate balls over 100mph land speed and not surprisingly Mobley had two of them.

And that is the 9088.. fastest ball speeds and lowest spin.

If Miller would hit a higher ball he would have won. I knew he was out when I saw the pairing against Wolter.

Correct me if im wrong but, Joe carried it around 70yds further than wolter so i dont think hitting higher wouldve been too good. Maybe landing it shorter and having it roll a tad might have done the trick

Ironic - you and I discussed this very topic...

http://www.incepta.ca/forum/index.php/topic,13352.msg94132.html#msg94132

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"Quote from: bradfromearth on December 03, 2011, 01:36:05 AM
One way to swing slow and do well is to hit high. If you can get your launch to 20+ degrees and your spin down to 1200 you can launch a bomb with 185 ball speed. There is a variety of ball flight software that allows you to model this. You need to hit up on the ball and strike it well.
ukrainien wrote....
Gotta disagree with that - all the energy is wasted hitting the ball up into the sky , rather than hitting it forward - and  that ball speed aint gonna get you too far either "
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Wolter beat Miller by hitting a higher ball - A SLOWER higher ball at that. Believe what you will. I knew Wolter would win that set and I stated it just prior to my brother in law. Then we sat in the stands and watched it happen. See hightee's post.. looks like Wolters ball was 14 MPH slower launch speed, about the same spin and 3 degrees higher.

Though Mobley had higher speed when the ball landed, there is higher landing speed from the seniors across the line. I think it has more to do with that they had more down wind. When the Open hit, the wind had started to change. Mobleys landing speed drops from Q-final to Semi to Final even though to rest stayed the same regarding stats.

I don´t think Wolter won with a higher launch, look at the best balls both hit. Apart from what is already written, the apex of CW´s ball was 56y, land angle 43,8 and speed 86. Joe´s was 53y, land angle 43,8 and speed 79.  CW hit a hot spot that got a big roll compared to Joe. I think if you put in all data in a program Joe will win. They have similar numbers in all except launch and ballspeed. Had CW carried his ball further than Joe I might have agreed with you, that Joe would have needed a big roll, or if the landing data was unknown. I don´t think a 3* launch can make up that much of a difference in carry, to make the ball roll more. It´s usually the other way around. Why didn´t Fister beat Mobley since he had much higher launch with a little lower speed, fairly similar spin?

CW got a break, just as Joe did with his winning ball in 2010, a good lucky bounce. We all need that at times to make it.
Not saying a high launch is bad, I think can compensate speed to a degree as you say, but in this case I don´t think so. JMHO

[ukrainien]

wolters ball rolled , millers didnt! grid is random , some balls bounce and roll some dont - thats it - are you mistic meg barnes or what???

[bradfromearth]

It was interesting to see mansfield's ball speed jump around so much.  And some guy named Joe is hitting it pretty hard.

Also take a look at land speed.  6 out of 107 balls were over 100, one of which was a Justin Moose topped ball.  This leaves only 5 legitimate balls over 100mph land speed and not surprisingly Mobley had two of them.

And that is the 9088.. fastest ball speeds and lowest spin.

If Miller would hit a higher ball he would have won. I knew he was out when I saw the pairing against Wolter.

Correct me if im wrong but, Joe carried it around 70yds further than wolter so i dont think hitting higher wouldve been too good. Maybe landing it shorter and having it roll a tad might have done the trick

Ironic - you and I discussed this very topic...

http://www.incepta.ca/forum/index.php/topic,13352.msg94132.html#msg94132

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"Quote from: bradfromearth on December 03, 2011, 01:36:05 AM
One way to swing slow and do well is to hit high. If you can get your launch to 20+ degrees and your spin down to 1200 you can launch a bomb with 185 ball speed. There is a variety of ball flight software that allows you to model this. You need to hit up on the ball and strike it well.
ukrainien wrote....
Gotta disagree with that - all the energy is wasted hitting the ball up into the sky , rather than hitting it forward - and  that ball speed aint gonna get you too far either "
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Wolter beat Miller by hitting a higher ball - A SLOWER higher ball at that. Believe what you will. I knew Wolter would win that set and I stated it just prior to my brother in law. Then we sat in the stands and watched it happen. See hightee's post.. looks like Wolters ball was 14 MPH slower launch speed, about the same spin and 3 degrees higher.

Though Mobley had higher speed when the ball landed, there is higher landing speed from the seniors across the line. I think it has more to do with that they had more down wind. When the Open hit, the wind had started to change. Mobleys landing speed drops from Q-final to Semi to Final even though to rest stayed the same regarding stats.

I don´t think Wolter won with a higher launch, look at the best balls both hit. Apart from what is already written, the apex of CW´s ball was 56y, land angle 43,8 and speed 86. Joe´s was 53y, land angle 43,8 and speed 79.  CW hit a hot spot that got a big roll compared to Joe. I think if you put in all data in a program Joe will win. They have similar numbers in all except launch and ballspeed. Had CW carried his ball further than Joe I might have agreed with you, that Joe would have needed a big roll, or if the landing data was unknown. I don´t think a 3* launch can make up that much of a difference in carry, to make the ball roll more. It´s usually the other way around. Why didn´t Fister beat Mobley since he had much higher launch with a little lower speed, fairly similar spin?

CW got a break, just as Joe did with his winning ball in 2010, a good lucky bounce. We all need that at times to make it.
Not saying a high launch is bad, I think can compensate speed to a degree as you say, but in this case I don´t think so. JMHO

You may be right. I will run the numbers later and follow up. I did feel like Miller got less roll. I saw paint on Miller but did not notice on Wolters.

[bradfromearth]

wolters ball rolled , millers didnt! grid is random , some balls bounce and roll some dont - thats it - are you mistic meg barnes or what???

Since your making it so personal. No I am not mystic just more reasonable and analytically inclined.

[TheDoctor]

In this case a simplified look at it is the way to go.  Wolter got a TON more roll then Joe and that really is the bottom line on the subject.  They both hit very pure balls.  It looks like the huge numbers are going to come from the right side of the grid unless they change something in the future.  This is honestly a good thing because if the only thing to get paid off at world's were huge carries we wouldn't have a sport. 

[DLR388]

Also, there are no numbers for side spin which does factor into carry, and roll. We have all hit on launch monitors, look at your numbers when a ball is pulled or pushed a little, the roll is not the same. A ball spinning end over end vs. one with some spin to left or right makes a difference in carry and roll. Just my opinion, this after about 100+ sessions on a launch monitor.

[A-ROB]

Trackman measures side and backspin together if I'm not mistaken?

[AP]

Trackman measures side and backspin together if I'm not mistaken?

Yes, a ball can only have one type of spin but the spinaxis can tilt to the right or left. And it affects roll. But both Joe and Carl were about the same distance from the middle I think. Carl with a shot to the right and Joe to the left. Nowadays Joe is usually straight with a little pull on it. Maybe a draw. Usually good for roll.

[hightee]

If i remember correctly, there was a pretty strong wind coming from the left, so hitting a pull wouldn't be ideal. Im not sure if Carl hit a fade with that wind, but it wouldn't surprise me if he did.