Swing speed increase

[Bobbyjones]

Ok I recently made a research on the subject of gaining speed and one of the thing I learn Is every body have a different potential for the speed. there are two kind of fiber in our muscle. The white and the red one. Most of long driver are very lucky and have about 60% white(speed) and 40% red(strenght). People like sadlowski might go up to 70 white and 30 red. the white fiber is the toughest one to train an it is easier to train when you are between 12 and 20 year old. after 20 year old every mph of cs is 5 time more tough to get so. The best way to train the white fiber is fast movement with very little weight so you brain will understand he have to unlock some ability of speed and your brain have to understand that you won't hurt yourself so everybody that said that stretching is important are totally right and perfectly understand the way of getting speed. So if you stretch and you make swing with very little weight and make about hundred of it you'll get speed. I recently make the test on me and work I've been able to qualified for the world in 1 year by doing that I start at 113mph club head speed and at the world this year I was about 141. I gain it in 1 year. Every trick you can try are good but after my reasearch I think those two thing are the best thing to know.

[colon]

From my experience which isnt Huge but just from a learning standpoint.

i gained 6mph in 2.5 months i lost 38 pounds, and i lift as heavy as i can at the gym i mean as heavy as i possibly can.

I speed train 3-4 times a week i use some things i learned from Ryan winther video the gloves, i use a overload device underload device and bands...

and i coming into my 4th week of my program im stretching more and more i believe just like Eric Jones and some others speed a skill any one can learn you gotta work for it. Jaacob Bowden would tell me  speed is up and down one day ur slow one day your fast just expect it.

steve pratt has alot of stuff i use from his site dont know if this helps its where im at now 10 inchs of snow and swinging in my house!

Eddie

[thedanman40]

No matter how you are built, you have to figure out how YOU create speed. Not how this guy or that guy does. Maybe someone can explain this better on the Swinger Vs hitter of the ball and how both create speed.   This is not how it is for everyone but it is for some. My point is you gotta find out how YOU create your speed and then train yourself based on that. Build off of what is working for you.

Some guys use their massive muscles and arms to create speed so they train those parts to keep the speed going. Personally I am a skinny bastard who relys on fast hips and long arms for leverage. my weak point is my grip and forearm strength so I am going to try and turn that weak point into an asset before next year. Anyways, what I am saying is don't start training your body in ways that make no difference in your swing mechanics.

Again this is what helped me get faster. Not for everyone.

[Rocky]

To maximize your swing speed you must have both, flexibility and White fast twitch muscle fibers. The only way to increase White fast twitch muscle fibers is to lift heavy weights to myofibril failure at 4-6 reps. This will cause the muscle damage and growth. As long as you are feeding the body the proper nutrition it needs to repair itself for growth. Without proper nutrition you are wasting your time in the gym.
Methodologies of repetition while lifting weights varies a little but a good general overview looks like this:
Myofibril failure (white fast twitch fibers for size and strength) do 4-6 reps to failure, White fast twitch muscle fibers (type llb) are the strongest muscle fibers in the body.
intermediate failure (red fast twitch fibers for strength & endurance) do 12-15 reps to failure, red fast twitch fibers (type lla) are your Stamina muscles
And lastly mitochondrial failure (red slow twitch muscle fibers for endurance) do 20-25 reps to failure, red slow twitch (type l) are good for marathon runners, triathletes and Pat Dempsey hitting in 4 divisions, amazing performance. JK Pat
Hope this helps
Tom

[BigButSmall]

Great information! I've never been big into weights so all the talk of white and red fibres lost me. are you saying you need to do 4 reps to failure at max weight, 10 reps at mid weight and 20 reps at low weight each weight working a different set of fibres? Also what nutrients (supplements, shakes etc) aid recovery?

Matt

[Diablo]

So many different theories. Very interesting and creative for once. What works for one guy probably won't work for the next one. But before you start repping to failure: educate yourself about what happens to the central nervous system during a workout in general and reps to failure in particular.

[StevePratt]

I would like to add two points here:

1.  Coordination is the first sign of increased strength and power - not a change in muscle size or development of the fibers.  First, the muscles learn to 'row' together better and there is a reduced time elaspe between the signal and the initial contraction.

2.  High intensity bouts of exercise as Rocky described also change the characteristics of the type IIa fibers.  They can simplistically be thought of as 'hybrids' and will lean either way depending on what type of training you are doing.  Fast explosive type training will cause them to be more explosive than normal.

[Diablo]

Another way of increasing your distance with about 50 yards is to do like the Hasselhoff of LD does: Yell BOOM, POW and HE-HAW with the hammer and x-factor shafts!!! 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYI0bPnvzOY&feature=related

[kBoog77]

Im amazed that noone has put work on your golf swing as a way to increase speed.  You could have many things going on in your swing that will make it less efficient and therefore loosing swing speed.  If you would spend equal amounts of time on your swing and strength training/stretching there is no question that you will see swing speed increases.

However no matter how much strength training you do, if your swing has flaws in it that are hindering power and speed then really all that hard work in the gym isn't being put to use to its full potential. 

[rdwinther]

kbooger is right..
The better you make your swing mechanics, the more speed you can add...
My swing has so many flaws and power leaks, and as my swing gets more mechanically sound, the faster I get...

There is a separation between mechanics training and speed train..  You can do both..
Work on both, then combine them.

Manbear

[Bama.drew]

I am going to buy a chicken and chase him around
Guaranteed to gain 50 mph

[woodrow]

Quick question... Has the fastest guy swing speed wise ever won the worlds or a tour event?

[bom]

Quick question... Has the fastest guy swing speed wise ever won the worlds or a tour event?

i seem to remember in 2008 Jamie was the fastest of the final 8 as recorded during the week on trackman. again in 2009. how about Beast winning three and  his highest(per his book) recorded 175 mph ? Joe in 2010 ? speed is a good thing . no ?

[NITROFORCE]

The key thing is to asses where your speed comes from and where it is lacking.  Muscular coordination, swing technique, flexibility (ROM), strength/power.  The guys that have high skill levels in ALL these things are fast and put a lot of GOOD balls on the grid.  Look at your attributes physically, look at your swing objectively, think about where you can improve.
If you are flexible and agile, I would focus on strength routines.  If you are strong as an ox but not flexible, focus on raising that skill set of increasing your ROM.  If you stink at timing and hand/eye/club (me) focus your training on that.  

However it must be noted that these skills are blended in tenths of a second and training them separately does not mean they will blend when you tee it up.   Sometimes acquiring a skill from training will be detrimental to what you are trying to accomplish.  For example, too much heavy training with giant weights that ingrain slow movement patterns.  Too much light training in a fast motion that does not involve enough muscle recruitment for high amounts of power and force production when you swing your club.  

Functional training, weight training, plyometric training, endurance training is NO substitute for SPORT SPECIFIC TRAINING (SST).  They are a shotgun approach to skill enhancement.  Throw a large amount of lead at a target in a general direction and you will hit the target in time.   SST is the sniper approach, aim, shoot, kill.  Precision.

Sport specific training for this particular sport is relatively untouched, as it has been plagued with the association with the age old sport of golf.  Too much dogma, not enough science, absolutely little knowledge of how to become a high level athlete in golf other than practicing at the range and the course.  Yes, golf is changing, and I am betting WE are the pioneers of this much attributed "Bomb and Gouge" golf trend.  You think the golf world ISN"T watching what LD is doing?  Why DO you think it is televised on Christmas afternoon?  Thanksgiving is taken by football!

Without going into detail on what I know and have the pleasure of knowing (and I could, huh Nosponsors?) Google sport specific training, procedural memory, multimodal integration, automaticity, motor movement skill development, muscular rate coding, muscular fiber types and recruitment, dreyfus model of skill acquisition, etc.  Stop reading Men's Health, Muscle and Fitness, Men's Journal, and all that other crap that pose fitness models doing general fitness programs.

Take some time to study track and field sport training (especially field sports), because what has been learned over the last 50 years in power and speed development can be transferred to this sport.  Take a look at what Keiser Pneumatics is doing with high force, high speed, massless resistance training.

That ought keep everyone busy, and assist in getting others up to speed.

Soon, I will have a site up with most of this stuff and some you won't find anywhere.

Later,
John Galt



  

[woodrow]

Quick question... Has the fastest guy swing speed wise ever won the worlds or a tour event?

i seem to remember in 2008 Jamie was the fastest of the final 8 as recorded during the week on trackman. again in 2009. how about Beast winning three and  his highest(per his book) recorded 175 mph ? Joe in 2010 ? speed is a good thing . no ?

They were fast but not the fastest, check those #s.

[BigButSmall]

Quick question... Has the fastest guy swing speed wise ever won the worlds or a tour event?

i seem to remember in 2008 Jamie was the fastest of the final 8 as recorded during the week on trackman. again in 2009. how about Beast winning three and  his highest(per his book) recorded 175 mph ? Joe in 2010 ? speed is a good thing . no ?

They were fast but not the fastest, check those #s.

The original post is asking how to pick up some speed to go from 115 to 130mph, not how can I train to be faster than the fastest!  Mr Winther himself has said that technique is a major part in producing/using the speed you have.  

Would a better question be 'how can I train to get my ball speed up from 160 to 200mph?'.  I was surprised at the weekend when I hit on a Trackman for the first time and an off centre hit had a ball speed 10mph less than a pure strike at a swing with a CHS 8mph lower! Swing speed means nothing if you can't hit the centre of the face. The one thing I have learnt is you need to train all aspects of the swing.

Matt

[psg8802]

Quick question... Has the fastest guy swing speed wise ever won the worlds or a tour event?

i seem to remember in 2008 Jamie was the fastest of the final 8 as recorded during the week on trackman. again in 2009. how about Beast winning three and  his highest(per his book) recorded 175 mph ? Joe in 2010 ? speed is a good thing . no ?

They were fast but not the fastest, check those #s.

The original post is asking how to pick up some speed to go from 115 to 130mph, not how can I train to be faster than the fastest!  Mr Winther himself has said that technique is a major part in producing/using the speed you have.  

Would a better question be 'how can I train to get my ball speed up from 160 to 200mph?'.  I was surprised at the weekend when I hit on a Trackman for the first time and an off centre hit had a ball speed 10mph less than a pure strike at a swing with a CHS 8mph lower! Swing speed means nothing if you can't hit the centre of the face. The one thing I have learnt is you need to train all aspects of the swing.

Matt

But if you can't swing at least 133.5 mph you ain't never going to get a 200 mph ball speed.

[Animal]

SPEED is only important after u learn how to hit it square. Then once u can hook it slice it hit it high or low. Then SPEED is king. And I will also say this,other than Steve Almo noone ever talks about having the ability to pull it off when the ESPN camera is rolling. Its amazing when the camera is rolling what it does to a golf swing. So to all the newbies hitting under these conditions is way harder than at your local range with your old lady the only one watching.

[NITROFORCE]

Just recently started  to play golf again havent played in about 10years ex hockey player . SS is 113-117 range.  Trying to get into the mid/higher 120's  .  I have been doing some hit training,  as well as the speed chain .  Just curious what guys have picked up real world #'s by training is 5-10 mph increase attainable after some time/training .

It's really nice to know all that other clutch info when the time comes to hit in front of the lights, camera, and ESPN crew, but I seriously doubt any of that has ANYTHING to do with the original thread question.  If you can't crack 140 on a trackman, you can't win the Open Show.  Oh yeah, you'll make it there. But you"ll never see the ESPN crew, or any money.  if you aren't putting up 130 you won't even qualify for a regional in the open div.  i would suspect about 5 less in the senior div.
If you are currently swinging 113-117 and add 5-10 mph chs the math adds up to a max of 127 mph chs.  So you don't need any of that useless info and commentary about LD champion insignificata.
so to answer your question, is 5-10 mph attainable with training?  TOTALLY. If you are an x-hockey player I'm gonna say 25 mph is possible with the right swing technique, training program, and practice schedule.  If other guys can put up 140 mph chs so can you.  Hockey players already have a high amount of skill sets that translate to being a big hitter.  I am surprised you only swing 113-117.

[BigButSmall]

Just an obvious question

What length driver are you swinging at 115?